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August 13, 2008

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"I look at it more as "humans are an interesting and powerful natural agents of change"." Please.... so what do you think about slash and burn farming or draining wetlands for development??? Anything for a buck?

Hmmm. Sure. or Anything to support a family. Or Just because I wanted to from nihilistic tendencies, or Just because the comet wanted to. Or just because the Sun wanted to.

Ecosystems change, collapse, etc. all the time whether man is agent or not. In every case, another replaces each and every one. Each as "delicate" as the last.

I don't find wetlands any more or less intrinsically ideal than a development. Or a dryland. Slash and burn farming? Sure. Why is "what was there for 100, 1000, or 10,000 years" specifically better?

Does it really matter if species are displaced or die? Others will take their place.

Will it cost humans lives or money if it does change? That is the real question, isn't it?

Of course, I prefer to live in the country without many neighbors, as do my neighbors. Unlike many of them, I try not to cloak my own bias in rhetoric of 'envrionmental sensitivity'. I am much too open minded to be a good environmentalist.

NOTE- SCOTT MAKES A GOOD POINT IN A SUBSEQUENT COMMENT. THIS POST IS AN INTELLECTUAL EXCERCISE AND FAIRLY (PERHAPS "STUPIDLY" AS SCOTT PROBABLY THNKS) ABSOLUTIST... MUCH MORE THAN I WOULD SUPPORT AS PRACTICABLE. ABSOLUTIST POSITIONS ARE UNTENABLE PRACTICALLY, BUT I THINK WE ARE CLOSER TO AN ABSOLUTIST PHILOSOPHY ON THE ENVIRO ETHIC THAN WE ARE IN THE PROPERTY RIGHTS ETHIC TODAY.

Choke, no one will ever accuse you of not speaking your mind. I very much disagree with this thinking, and I believe I am in the vast majority. Rather than argue the concept, let me argue that espousing this type of philosophy is bad business. Very bad business. Your diatribe is the perfect ammo for those that seek to tax and penalize us, and who can blame them after reading this. Can you imagine our detractors taking possession of your comments? You make their case in a most powerful way. Not only wrong, and unethical, but the worst public relations piece I have ever seen in my life.

Scott... thanks for your comments. Yep. I hate to be too provocative, but it seems we need to be provocative at times. Like most people that have spent most of their lives in nature, I don't idealize it. I refuse to participate willingly in a human death cult, although most people reflexively do today. A less provocative response to your original item would have been "depends. Depends on who owns the land. What is its best and most efficient use. But mostly, who owns the land." The issue of confiscation of propery rights by society is an interesting one, and I am not an absolutist, but I do think that people's first reaction should be 'we want to take away this person's property rights for what, again?' instead of 'gee, an intellectually feeble argument about the pricelessness of some random ecosystem should cause us to err on the side of essential confiscation because we MIGHT hurt one of an infinite number of outcomes with regards to one ecosystem". If you find this outlook offensive, it is because you believe in this inherent pricelessness without demanding a real accounting of it. I have offended you on a religious basis, for which I apologize, since I have no other objective but to make people think or question the validity of these deeply held beliefs.

For those that want to use my words to persecute "us", meaning, I presume, people in the oil business, we have already allowed the issue to be framed in an unwinnable way, and yes, I am terrified at the inquisition presented by the religious zealots seeking to hang my kind for their beliefs. Wasn't supposed to happen in America, was it, Scott? This kind of fear?

By the way, Scott, I think all the people who work for me wish I wouldn't ask so many questions or look at things in such oblique ways as well. And yes, I think you do represent the vast majority on this issue, and the vast majority or oil and gas people. In fact, I believe most oil and gas people have the ol' time enviro religion that thinks it inapproriate to question the great and powerful Oz. I have no desire to be the spokesperson for the industry on environmental matters just because of that. I jes' follow the law and do what I'm told in action.

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